Kwindla Hultman Kramer

The New Primitives: Building AI Native Software — Kwindla Kramer, Daily

Aug 7, 2026 · 21:14

Kwindla Hultman Kramer (Daily, Pipecat) argues that agents are the web pages of 1995—a primitive, not a destination—and the next target is AI-native software. He grounds this in 80 years of computing: Vannevar Bush's 1945 As We May Think predicted OCR, speech to text, and hypertext; the 1950s brought programming languages, the 1960s interactivity, the 1970s databases, then the personal computer. VisiCalc, he says, didn't eliminate accountants; it multiplied accounting work and created new roles, a counter to AI unemployment fears. He cites Apple's 1987 Knowledge Navigator and Tavas's real reimagining as prototypes. He closes with Gradient Bang, a multiplayer game he built with LLMs at the core of every interaction, showing asynchronous non-blocking context compression, long-running subagents, progressive skills loading, dynamic UI generation, and conversational voice.

Pipecat Cloud: Enterprise Voice Agents Built On Open Source - Kwindla Hultman Kramer, Daily

Jul 31, 2025 · 26:46

Kwindla Hultman Kramer, co-founder of Daily, introduces Pipecat, an open-source, vendor-neutral framework for building voice AI agents, and Pipecat Cloud, a deployment layer optimized for real-time voice. He argues that achieving sub-800-millisecond voice-to-voice response times is critical and that frameworks like Pipecat handle hard problems like turn detection, interruption handling, and context management. Kramer explains that Pipecat supports 60+ models and services, including Gemini and OpenAI, and that Gemini is often 10x cheaper for 30-minute conversations. He notes that while speech-to-speech models like Moshi and Sesame are promising for natural conversation, they currently lag in instruction-following for enterprise use cases. Kramer also addresses global latency challenges, recommending deployment close to inference servers or using open-weight models locally, and highlights Pipecat Cloud's integration with Krisp for background noise reduction and a free open-source smart turn model.

Your realtime AI is ngmi — Sean DuBois (OpenAI), Kwindla Kramer (Daily)

Jul 31, 2025 · 16:30

Sean DuBois (OpenAI, Pion) and Kwindla Kramer (Daily, Pipecat) argue that realtime AI systems must be built from the network layer up, with WebRTC essential for voice AI over WebSockets. WebSockets rely on TCP, causing glitches in 10–15% of connections, while WebRTC uses UDP for sub-second voice-to-voice latency (they demonstrate ~500ms target). Kwindla shows a latency breakdown from a Pipecat app, and Sean notes WebRTC handles packet loss, jitter, and bandwidth estimation automatically. They demo Squabbert, a Raspberry Pi stuffed animal using peer-to-peer WebRTC with MLX Whisper and Gemma 3 for local AI. Yashin, a non-technical mom, shares her bilingual learning app built with Sean's guidance, highlighting WebRTC's accessibility.

Milliseconds to Magic: Real‑Time Workflows using the Gemini Live API and Pipecat

Jun 27, 2025 · 21:43

Kwindla Kramer (Daily, Pipecat) and Shrestha Basu Mallick (Google DeepMind, Gemini API) argue that voice is the most natural interface and that the Gemini Live API combined with the Pipecat framework enables developers to build real-time multimodal voice agents covering the full stack from models to application code. They demo a voice-driven task management app that handles grocery, reading, and work lists, showing impressive context-aware tool use (e.g., consolidating lists, web searching for 'Dream Count' author) but also jagged edge limitations like turn detection errors and persistent misspelling of 'Kwin.' They discuss how capabilities like turn detection migrate down the stack over time. The episode also covers proactivity, multilinguality, telephony integration, and experimental native audio models for emotive, steerable dialogue.

How to build the world's fastest voice bot: Kwindla Hultman Kramer

Feb 10, 2025 · 20:38

Kwindla Hultman Kramer, CEO of Daily, argues that colocating speech-to-text, LLM inference, and text-to-speech in a single compute container is the most effective way to achieve sub-500 millisecond voice-to-voice latency for conversational AI. He details how architectural flexibility and low-latency media transport are critical, citing measured bottlenecks like 30–40ms from macOS mic processing and typical voice-to-voice latencies of 600–700ms. To hit faster response times, his team uses Deepgram’s on-premises STT and TTS models via Docker and Llama 3 8B for LLM inference, achieving 500–700ms in an open-source demo. The talk introduces PipeCat, a vendor-neutral open-source framework for real-time multimodal AI that orchestrates components like transcription, endpointing, interruption handling, and text-to-speech. Kramer emphasizes that while frontier multimodal models are coming, orchestration layers remain essential for building production-grade voice bots, and shares that a recent latency demo gained over 175,000 views on Twitter.